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Transition Considerations for Youth with Complex Support Needs

Sponsored by NTACT, Michael Stoehr, Linda O’Neal, and Charlie Walters will discuss information regarding effective practice strategies and supports for youth with Complex Support Needs as they transition to successful post-secondary outcomes of education/training, employment, and community engagement.

LIVE EVENT: September 12, 2019 Recording now available!
ONLINE CHAT: September 12, 2019-September 26, 2019

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Sept. 12 - Complex Needs Presentation

CaP CIE BEST PRACTICES SUPPORT STRATEGIES 4-17-19

#1 CaPROMISE Connect Newsletter (2)

#2 CaPROMISE Summer Camp 17 (1)

#3 Hot Tips from CAPROMISE

#4 Planning For The Future Webinar Series Flyer FAll 2016 (ENG) (1)

#5 RCOC Transition Planning Workshop10-29-19

#6 Planning For The Future Room Talks Flyer 3-28-19.docx R-1

The Voices of Partents- Post High School Expectations - Carter

CaPROMISE.docx If I could.docx 9-17-19

OC WBL#2b Directions for OC Employment Skills Development Chart 8-4-16

OCWBL#2 OC Employment Skills Development Chart 6-13-16

Predictors of Competitive Employment for Students with Intellectual andor

Predictors of postschool employment outcomes for young adults with severe disabilities

Summer employment and community experiences of transition-age youth with severe disabilities-Carter

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Holly Schwietz

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Great information!

Monique LeTourneau

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The case study CaPromise was really helpful. And the tools, general points, etc. Thanks!

Kimberly Johnson

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This is a good webinar! Thanks so much!

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Hey all! This was a great Ask the Expert, thanks for your interest and participation! I wanted to let you know that there is a technical glitch with the emails going out every time someone comments. We are working to get that fixed so you will just receive ONE a day if you are subscribed to the discussion (go to the green box and click on the drop down next to subscribe if you are interested). In the meantime, please forgive us for the multiple emails and thanks again!! Also, I will post the resources above over the next two… Read more »

Charlie Walters

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Thank you to everyone able to make it today! Looking forward to some good discussion with you all here!

Christa Knaak

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Thanks for the info!

Sheri Ransom

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Thank you so much, I don’t think we address the students with complex needs as often as we should when thinking of transition.

Charlie Walters

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Thank you for being there, Sheri! I wholeheartedly agree – we tend to keep things pretty general and don’t always hit the complications head on… Are there any areas that would be helpful to cover in more detail in the future?

Sheri Ransom

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Assessments for MDS students nonverbal. I have three who are turning transition age and assessments will need to be completed in the three key areas. Our team is trying to figure out where to go for resources.

Judith Imperatore

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Your turn
Hello Sheri. I’d be glad to share our resources. We’ve been doing assessment for these students for many years.

Michael Stoehr

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Judith it would be great if you would be willing to post the assessments that you have found useful in working with students with complex support needs. This continues to be a major are of interest/need for education, VR, and ID/DD Human Services professionals. Thanks in advance for anything you are willing share!

Judith Imperatore

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I’d love to. Just have to figure it out. I’ll email them to you and perhaps you can attach them?

Michael Stoehr

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Great!
Thanks Judith, please forward to mstoehr@uncc.edu

Andrea Martin

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Thank you! I am excited to check out the Life Course Framework.

Michael Stoehr

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We greatly appreciate everyone who was able to participate in today’s webinar and are glad to see from your comments that you found this information useful! Please let Linda, Charlie and me know if you have any specific questions over the next two weeks so we can continue our discussion.

Patricia Anderson

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In terms of the student with allergies as well as other disabilities (VI, HI, CP), we have done PCP with this student twice – but most likely not as much follow through as possible. We plan to try the LifeCourse Planning. And I would like to get him into Customized Employment. One of the primary difficulties, however, is the difficulty the parent has letting this student try different things other than just what he “wants” to do – which may or may not be appropriate yet. Any suggestions about how to help the parents through this process while also encouraging… Read more »

Charlie Walters

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Hey Patricia! Great question and such a common issue, right? I have two answers, although I know that Michael, Linda, and lots of other folks probably have some valuable input to add, too! The first relates to this issue in general, and that is, how do we in local areas better convey the mission of SPED supports and services to families throughout the lifespan? Do families know that we’re aiming for self-determined students pursuing fulfilling lives, integrated into their communities? If not, how can we better communicate the aim of SPED as students age? Student-led IEP meetings? Earlier transition planning… Read more »

Patricia Anderson

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Thanks Charlie. Actually I am glad you brought up the YLF. I encouraged parent to attend the final luncheon this year with the idea that we could get the son to YLF within the next two years. Mom indicated that he could do all of the leadership, self-advocacy stuff but that YLF could not accommodate his allergies. We have some work to do there but I hope we can pull it off within the next few years. I wholly agree with your perspective! Thanks for the reminder and support.

Michael Stoehr

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Good Morning Patricia, So a couple of additional suggestions. If you are able to have this student engage in the customized employment (I am not sure if there are community rehabilitation providers (CRPs) trained to provide customized employment in your area or if perhaps you have trained school staff) – in either case the first step of the customized employment process would be to conduct the discovery process, A part of the discovery process is to conduct a visit/interview with the family and student and to explore how the student engages at home and in the community including interests and… Read more »

Patricia Anderson

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Great points Michael. We have a PPT on Monday and I will bring some of these ideas up. Fortunately we have 4 more years to work on this but forward progress is slow. We are now making EVERYTHING about transition so hopefully we will begin to more forward soon. I like your second comment in particular (although I am really gung ho on the discovery process for this student – hope I can find a vendor soon) and although they have had several PCP sessions I was not a part of those and the results don’t seem to be being… Read more »

Michael Stoehr

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Patricia – I also passed along your questions to Linda ONeal who co-presented with us on Thursday. The following are her suggestions and we will be posting the referenced attachments in the resources for this Ask the Experts above: In terms of the student with allergies as well as other disabilities (VI, HI, CP), we have done PCP with this student twice – but most likely not as much follow through as possible. Your are correct the PCP Process is an ongoing process used for planning, problem solving and resources/service identification. With students with significant needs, I have found that… Read more »

Patricia Anderson

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Thanks you so much Michael and Linda – Will look at the resources you sent and be in touch if we would like the documents you mentioned in another form. Much appreciated.

However, I am not able to find the PPoint or other forms – are they posted on the Transition Coalition website or somewhere else. You are welcome to send them to me directly (DrPatSpEd@outlook.com) – Thanks.

Judith Imperatore

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All. Thank you for this webinar. The your suggestions for focus was practical to transition and positive trajectory for adult life. We all cannot hear enough about high expectations and how that context drives success for students. Thank you! !! My curiosity (more than a question) was the absences of information about transition assessment. Without assessment, individualization can’t happen. I won’t go into that…but…Person Centered Planning is a wonderful tool which you did mention- one that has a history of creation during the deinstitutionalization period when folks had no input. Thankfully, IDEA builds into its mandates everyone’s voice. (Whether schools… Read more »

Michael Stoehr

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Good Morning Judith, Thank you for your question. Given the very condensed time of last week’s webinar we really only had time to briefly scratch the surface regarding this topic, including the importance of early and ongoing assessment as the foundation of the secondary transition process. I appreciate you highlighting the importance of assessment in this posting and it truly is the foundation for both effective special education and transition planning. I agree that Person Centered Planning and the example we presented regarding LifeCourse is just one step in this process and that it definitely needs coupled with multiple academic… Read more »

Shannonb Corkrean

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Can I have the citation from Charlie’s presentation re: the study that talked about how guardianship doesn’t necessarily equate to safer and more quality of life. I am very interested in that area. Thank you!

Charlie Walters

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What an awesome question and super cool area of interest. As far as I know, nobody has conducted a systematic review of the literature on this specific topic or conducted a study that looks at something like the quality of life for persons under guardianship versus those who are not. I’ve explored the literature on the topic for some time now, and have never come across anything like that, however. The issue is really how alarming it is that, even if there may be some sort of isolated finding that promotes guardianship on the basis of quality of life, it… Read more »

sydney verne

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thanks…..how do I subscribe though?

Michael Stoehr

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Sydney, you can subscribe to receive a daily notification when items are added to the discussion by clicking on the green subscribe tab at the top of this discussion thread.

Dixie Periman

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I cannot download the resources from yesterday’s webinar. It says popup window blocked. Do you know how I can fix this issue?

Michael Stoehr

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Dixie if you send me an email @ – mstoehr@uncc.edu – I will forward the materials that we discussed during yesterday’s webinar.

April Green

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I am looking for the recording of the live session. I would like to go back and watch it again. Does anyone have the link they can share?

Michael Stoehr

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Good Afternoon April.
The recorded webinar has been posted at the beginning of this page.
Please let us know if you have any additional questions.

Kathy Tuttle

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For Linda: When you said with the right “marketing” families attended in higher numbers to events. Could could you describe that marketing?

Michael Stoehr

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Kathy, Linda responded to your question with the following information. We will have the examples that Linda discusses in this posting added to the resources on this page and/or if you provide me with your email I can send them to you directly. Communities in California are doing a great a job of providing transition related training opportunities. Best practice is to bring together multiple service agencies educators and families to plan and implement the most up-to-date training opportunities. Examples: Throughout the state…California PROMISE (2013-2019) Communities who were offering the various transition related trainings utilize these strategies for planning and… Read more »

Kathy Tuttle

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Thank you for the information! Those are all great examples and really liked adding that once trust was established families were open to training opportunities. Important piece to consider when holding events. We have had statewide Community Conversations around employment through “Promise” and other employment first initiatives!

Michael Stoehr

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Kathy,
Very glad that you found the information Linda provided useful. Please let us know if you would like us to email the referenced documents directly to you by sending an email to mstoehr@uncc.edu.

Kathy Tuttle

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Just saw this. Yes I would like those references. I will email you!
This Ask the Expert is a great format!

Kathy Tuttle

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Michael: I tried to link to the AT assessment but went to a bigger website and could not locate it.
Could it be posted to this site?

Michael Stoehr

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Kathy, sorry about that – I noticed that the folks in CT updated their website and the link in the PowerPoint that we used last week is no longer valid.

You can find the the AT assessment document directly at: http://www.sese.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Assistive-Technology-Protocol-for-Transition.pdf

You may also want to explore the following resources:

Assistive Technology and Transition – Canfield, T & Reed, P. – https://www.transitioncoalition.org/wp-content/originalSiteAssets/files/docs/attransitionpacket1224259340.pdf

CT – Technology & Transition Guide – http://cttechact.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/at-and-high-school.pdf

Family Information Guide to AT and Transition Planning – https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED520112.pdf

Kathy Tuttle

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Thanks Mike! These will be great additions to our Assessment Resource LiveBinder for teachers here in WI. We also have some of these tools in our Self Advocacy Curriculum! Great information!

Kathy Tuttle

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I did have the Canfield Reed resources…..I am in Wisconsin! 🙂 Always looking for more….every changing need .

Courtney Kallas

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THANK YOU! It took me a second to get back to this page and really appreciate all the follow up and resource sharing.

Courtney Kallas

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I am working with my team to find some research that we can use to “level set” expecations for brainstorming appropriate student artifacts for a graduation capstone portfolio for our teachers working with youth with complex support needs. Could you point me in the direction of an article or the name of a researcher/research team that has explored the impact of high expectations in transition planning in all areas for youth with complex support needs? THANKS for any help. I’d love to have an article or two to use as a frame for our teachers to reflect on as they… Read more »

Michael Stoehr

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Courtney, There are several resources/articles that we are going to post to the above resources on this discussion page. If you would like me to email these documents directly to you send me an email at mstoehr@uncc.edu. Included in these resources is a newly developed document that Linda ONeal developed as a follow up to the California PROMISE grant that provides great observations and recommendations for improved outcomes. Also included are a number of articles authored/co-authored by Erik Carter from Vanderbilt University. Dr. Carter has been a leader in this field for many years and provides research based examples of… Read more »

Courtney Kallas

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I downloaded all the different resources from here — THANK YOU. This is very helpful — I’m glad I made time for this webinar — usually I sign up for them and something else comes up. All the different pieces you three touched on in that short hour are things I needed to get focused on again and dig into as I collaborate with others to start some new projects to raise expectations and the relevancy of transition services we provide for our youth with complex support needs.

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New resources added! A few more to come.

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The new resources Michael mentioned earlier this week are now posted. Let me know if there are any missing!

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